DOWNFALL IN FELTHAM

An ex-Organisers view.

This account of the Feltham and Heston by-election was sent to me by a long term West London nationalist that I know well for a long time. It makes interesting reading and I publish it here to stimulate debate.

The Feltham and Heston by-election result for the BNP is a bigger disaster for the party in London than the loss of all its Barking council seats in May 2010.

Given the ongoing, indeed exponential, change in demographics across London, the Feltham result indicates the removal of the opportunity even under proportional representation, for the BNP on the Greater London Assembly.

There are London boroughs where the indigenous, and may I say fellow traveller, population is already of a proportion too small to achieve even influential votes at Parliamentary level for a party with even the more noble aims of the BNP. Obvious examples being Brent, Newham and Tower Hamlets. It was thus recognised at least 6 years ago, that the way to gain any influence was through the PR route to the GLA.

This route could not be achieved through the gaining of a bloc of councillors in any one borough, but required a steady vote across the outer London boroughs that had not changed as much as inner London. Thus in a borough such as Hounslow, of which the Feltham and Heston constituency is part, a PR vote of perhaps 5-8% was a realistic target, with the likes for example of Barking, Havering and Bexley returning a higher percentage, and Ealing ,Harrow and Richmond lower. This strategy was called the doughnut, the type with a ring not jam in the middle!

The strategy relied on targeting the borough wards most likely to be responsive.

I was not aware of any effective BNP organisation in Hounslow before 2005, although the borough had seen other nationalist groups organising there in the 1970's and 1980's. In fact the only BNP organisation in West London had been destroyed by the Chairman about 2004. That was the Hillingdon Group where the key players were removed over the matter of selling their own locally sourced t-shirts!

From the summer of 2005 just 2 new members set about re-starting and organising the party in West London. In a remarkably short space of time Nick Eriksen had risen from Richmond to London Organiser and I had become West and North London Sub Regional Organiser. Decent and talented people appeared from almost nowhere and suddenly there were unique and active groups in the boroughs of Hounslow, Kingston, Richmond, Ealing, Hillingdon and Hammersmith. Each group held regular meetings and leafleting and canvassing sessions as well as table-top sessions in local high streets. When there was an activity there were always members from other local groups assisting. There was cross fertilisation of activity and organisation. There was always one if not two social activities each month in West London. Local knowledge was increasing too.

The zenith for Feltham and West London was May 2010. Despite losing the Hillingdon Organiser at the last minute we were able to continue to plan. I switched into that role because the Hounslow team where now so well practiced that they really did not need me there. That really is achievement when a manager or leader realises that the team can be left to act almost autonomously. There were many council candidates attracting up to a thousand votes and the 3.54% achieved on the Feltham parliamentary was an achievement against a background of a campaign hindered by a lack of head office support e.g. advertising hoardings (it was always sickening to see the UKIP hoardings in the area when we had none), and negative publicity resulting from the Chairman’s false claims of death threats against him. Indeed from the weekly campaigning that had taken place over the preceding three years, and with an excellent candidate in Jon Donnelly, it is not unreasonable to say that without the BNP Chairman’s effect the BNP long campaign could reasonably have returned 6%.

It is noteworthy that this was not a one off fair result in Feltham. In the adjoining constituency of Hayes and Harlington I polled 3.6% with a smaller team of party workers and with a shorter campaign. There were excellent council election results in Hillingdon with our candidates not ahead of just independents and Greens but also the Lib Dems!

Whilst there had been an excellent Hillingdon Organiser in Mike James, more work had gone into Feltham. However the Hayes result too would almost certainly have been over 5%, but an ex-BNP nationalist stood against me under another banner simply, in his words, "not against you but against Griffin".

There were good results following workmanlike campaigns in other parts of West London too.

Despite the 2010 West London votes being lower than they should have been, the BNP was still well placed for the 2012 GLA elections.

However after the General Election elementary questions regarding party finances clearly threatened the Chairman’s permanent position and so all London Officers received a text from Head Office. In fact Jefferson, whatever his capacity was, sent the text. The text simply said that all London Officers were no longer officers until further notice.

Subsequently there was a meeting in a member’s home in North London where the Chairman decided who the London Officers would be. The only invites to the meeting were for those that the Chairman considered too gullible, naive or stupid to ask questions about party finances. In ascertaining which members might be completely gullible, thus loyal even to the most appalling leadership, the Chairman was ably assisted by the most pathetic and shabby permanent raincoat wearing element in the London membership. Obviously I was one of those not invited to the meeting and that was the end of my active involvement with the party.

In effect the Chairman called a few people together and said:

"You select few can continue at playing BNP but only as long as you accept that I am not accountable to anyone".

He thus met the need of those who want to feel that they are doing something regardless of cost and/or futility.

What we find in the last 18 months of the once impressive West London BNP is this. One or two meetings in Hounslow, none in Kingston, Richmond or Ealing, one in Hammersmith. No social activity. No regular weekly leafleting anywhere. No production of local newsletters. No communication to local members and supporters by email, text, phone or post.

This is why the Feltham set back is worse than the loss of the Barking council seats. It represents evidence of the total breakdown of effective organisational structure within London BNP. The inability to mobilise local members and supporters, to have regular visits from neighbouring groups and/or to have 20 visitors helping once from Merton, then Croydon, then Andy McBride visiting with 20 South East helpers. Inablity to canvass key areas.

Inability to make super human efforts. If this by election had been 4 years ago then the Mayoral and lead GLA candidate would have been in Feltham every day for a month before polling day. I am not a fan of Richard Barnbrook, on the contrary I am his greatest critic (I hope), but it cannot be denied that on most occasions he worked manically when the cause demanded it. Was the current Mayoral candidate in Feltham most days before polling day? Of course to make such an effort requires belief, and there is no longer anything left to believe in the Chairman’s words or the achievability of the party message.

In fact there was an inability to address even one local issue, the concept of literature addressing local as well as national hopes and aspirations has disappeared with the most talented activists. Even the UKIP literature managed one local issue to campaign on.

To cap it all, Feltham has all the factors for a BNP message to be well received. The engineering jobs have largely moved on. Though some remain relating to Heathrow Airport it is notable that the former Spitfire factory site is now a cinema-bowling-fast food location. The area is characterised by rising unemployment in a blue collar area that retains much of its council estate housing. Adjoining Hounslow is openly Islamic. Saturday sees Islamists preaching in the high street alongside the SWP in the spot that Gospel preachers once enjoyed. There are long housing waiting lists for the children of the dispossessed majority. There is compulsory enrichment, concern over crime, etc.

Feltham was potentially the BNP's Barking of the west.

It was the hope of West London, now it is the death knell sounding.

Now Feltham, call it Hounslow or West London if you like, is just an example to show that most London BNP groups cannot do what they were doing between 2005-10. It is evidence that there is no longer the organisation, membership, expertise, enthusiasm or belief necessary to get even one representative on the GLA. Last time it was obvious that polling boxes were tampered with between the poll and the count in order to reduce the BNP vote, this time it will not be necessary.

The BNP are on target for a 2012 GLA top up vote of only 2.5%, just ahead of the English Democrats and 3.5% behind UKIP. There would be greater wisdom in the remaining BNP active members doing nothing rather than wasting time AND MONEY, and regrouping in some way than throwing money at a BNP GLA campaign denied positive branding and head office investment.

Never before, in the history of politics, have the hopes of so many been dashed by so few.

26 comments:

  1. The BNP now, must surely be as the 'chairman' wants it, a family business held up by a few otherwise unemployable sycophants who also get a living of some sort out of it. A bunch of losers.
    However, the new year can bring a resurgence of spirit & hope for the cause. On the surface everything seems doom & gloom, but underneath, signs of new growth will surely appear.
    We must not give up hope, we will rally again!

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  2. I don't expect Griffin has very much money to spend on this election.
    The BNP will come nowhere its a waste of time and effort for this busted flush party.
    Voting UKIP would be more productive

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  3. 2 weeks after the Euro elections i received a phone call from a well known Cllr in Eastern Region and a well known Griffinite.
    He tried to talk me out of standing for the party in the following years Council elections. I wasn't going to stand anyway, but being a stubborn Nationalist i decided to stand.
    He didn't like it of course and threw his dummy well out of the pram.The point i'm making is that this phone call coincided with Macheala Mckensie being purged.
    It seems to me that there was a plan in place after the Euro elections to purge all the best members from the party, but why.

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  4. According to the British National Party Constitution, under heading “ANNEX 4: THE STANDARD PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF A BRITISH HOMELAND BRANCH OR GROUP”, sub-heading “Official Meetings of a Branch or a Group”, Clause 21 (page 90):-

    “No Official Meeting of a British Homeland Branch or Group may be held in residential or domestic premises.”

    On this basis, the meeting held in the North London member’s home to decide who the new London organisers would be was not constitutional according to the party’s own rules.

    It should not have decided anything.

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  5. Griffin has smashed up the BNP. In fact the man has done more damage to what was our Party than any of the far left could ever dream of.
    In December 2007 the final week before Christmas, the London BNP had a day of action in Rainham. The turnout that weekend was 40 activists or more and it rained cats and dogs. There was a comradre of optimism for victory in the GLA. You could feel the positive vibes: Nationalism had come to life.
    One thing for sure: we have to learn from the mistakes of the past, yes it's a hard pill to swallow!
    Maybe the English Democrats are the answer to rekindle our spirit and optimism for the future. They seem an honest and genuine bunch.
    Lets face it 'Griffin' could not cut the mustard when he had a major chance. Nationalists for many years under his reign were fighting a cause with one arm tied behind their backs. The chance for the BNP to make the grade has now gone.
    JAL.

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  6. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-gilligan/8963457/EU-hands-out-holidays-paid-for-by-taxpayer.html


    Caught with your hands in the taxpayers pocket!!!!

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  7. While there is still a few bob to be garnered from the BNP Griffin will never go

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  8. I see Adrew Moffatt has just been kicked out of the BNP South-East Region.

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  9. "It seems to me that there was a plan in place after the Euro elections to purge all the best members from the party, but why.

    19 December 2011 18:11"

    "Why?" Well what would be the most likely outcome of any such action taken from upon high. It's quite obvious isn't it if you stop for a minute and think about. Any such action has the effect of destroying a regions ability to operate. If replicated across the country you effectively destroy the BNP. The enemies external to the BNP, I think new, and I think most other nationalists would agree that it would be nigh on impossible to destroy the BNP from within. So if you can't destroy something from without, the next point of attack MUST come from within. A question I then pose is this. Who is responsible for the the utterly damaging decisions from withn? Where does the buck stop on ALL decisions that are passed or are allowed to be passed. The buck obviously stops with the CEO or in this case Nick Griffin. My strong belief is that Griffin wasn't always intent on destroying the BNP and I would argue that he did at one point have genuine high hopes for the party. My personal gut feeling view is that somewhere along the line it all went wrong for him and as much as some say it's because of financial malpractice on his part, I would not at all be surprised if the state got their claws into Griffin at the Leeds trial back in 2005. I would not be at all surprised if Griffin was given an ultimatum, "do as we say, when we say" i.e. at a time of their choosing or face jail. Mr Griffin it's your choice! It is only conjecture of course but is it impossible? I don't think so!

    Lawrence Rustem

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  10. silly idiotic croydon moron gets busted on youtube being appallingly racially abusive on a tram,rather predictably the bnp (who are down with the working classes,innit) backs her up and rather hilariously describes her as a political prisoner.
    selfsame bnp subsequently stands in a london election and dies on its' arse.
    as a certain meerkat would say ... 'simples'.

    really eddy,if you're not prepared to say it then you're not the man i thought you were.

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  11. Graham WakefieldDec 21, 2011 10:15 AM

    It is common knowledge that Griffins past is somewhat"sordid"including his homosexual relationship with Martin Webster and his "friendship" with Patsy Harrington.Who knows what he has been up to when in the company of his "pals" his closest group consist of a convicted drug dealer a known swinging couple and a couple who participate in the porn movie business is it any wonder Griffins has been knobled by state agents.The late NF chairman Ian Anderson (himself a homosexual)told me many times he had" enough on Griffins to destroy him if need be"Griffins is a sad,spoiled,nasty bastard and anyone who thinks that the BNP can be saved is barking mad.No, I am not an ED supporter and I consider both Eddie and Chris Beverly as Racial Nationalist not Civic Nationalist and I to am as puzzled by there current ED involvement as everyone else

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  12. Very Well Put Ex-Organiser, London BNP is a shambles now, Griffin has destroyed it like he has destroyed so many other good regions. I agree the by-election result on the Dec 15th doesn't make it look good for Steve Squire on May 3rd. He might as well pack up his bags now.

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  13. I just heard that Jefferson & Adam Walker are coming down to London early in the new year to kick Squire's arse into shape, they are saying he isn't doing enough for the GLA campaign. The bloody things finished even before it's began!

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  14. My Guess this is a Chris Forster winge, West London has always been dead as a doornail the only people the were active are still on board and still working behind the scenes don't under estimate there is a new trick up our sleave which will be delivered, Forster knows who I am and he has alway been impressed the leaps forward I helped him make in West London, Steve Squire is a very hard working organiser if we were still bonded as one unit we would have made bigger achievements with S Squire in the driving seat, with things the way they are with this negative cloud of anti-Griiffin mechants putting the boot in at every chance, things will be tough, but we won't give in we joined London BNP for the BNP not Nick Griffin and we will keep going whoever the boss is, I certainly am not going to walk away and sulk leave that to you bunch of wimps.

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  15. "I just heard that Jefferson & Adam Walker are coming down to London early in the new year to kick Squire's arse into shape, they are saying he isn't doing enough for the GLA campaign. The bloody things finished even before it's began!
    22 December 2011 00:43"

    Doesn't this highlight the fact that Griffin has put in place people who simply are good enough. It also highlights what damned good job Bob Bailey did as London Organiser!!!

    Lawrence Rustem

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  16. You joined the London BNP for the BNP, really! that is an absurd notion, "Griffin is the BNP" get used to it: Griffin's mugshot is of a fat putrid Mafiosi, who would vote for that?, and you 22 December 2011 18:29 are his servant don't kid your self that you are anything else. that is the truth,

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  17. It is hard to believe Griffin was involved in homosexuality, I mean you would have to be a Zoophiliac to fancy him.

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  18. Why the Scots want independence from the English

    The more life in Scotland feels like life in England, the stronger the desire to assert a distinct identity.

    Sir Gus O’Donnell, in a valedictory address as our most senior civil servant, says it will be an “enormous challenge” to prevent the break-up of the United Kingdom. Not surprisingly, Alex Salmond, the SNP leader and First Minister of Scotland, believes it is a challenge which will not be met. Even before his party surprisingly won a majority of seats in the Scottish Parliament in May, he told me that independence was now inevitable.


    In part, the disengagement of Scotland from the UK reflects the inexorable consequence of the establishment of the Scottish Parliament in 1999. It is in the nature of institutions and their members to seek to extend their powers. We see this in Brussels and we see it in Edinburgh. It may still be unlikely that a referendum in Scotland would produce a majority for outright independence, but there will probably be a majority for giving much greater powers to the Scottish Parliament – what is commonly called devo-max. The Union is being sliced up salami-style until the final step to independence is small.


    The rise of Scottish nationalism puzzles many in England, especially those who believe that Scotland is subsidised by England (an arguable proposition) and also those millions south of the border who claim Scottish ancestry, often proudly. In truth, it puzzles some of us in Scotland, too, for many are still happy with a dual Scottish-British identity.


    Undeniably, however, the sense of Britishness has weakened over the past half-century. There are some conventional, explanations: the distance from the Second World War, when Britain resisted Nazi Germany; the end of the British Empire, in which Scots had played a disproportionate role; and, perhaps, membership of the European Union. Certainly, the SNP fastened on this as a defence against the charge that independence would leave Scotland isolated.


    With this weakening of a British identity goes a resurgent Scottishness. Take the kilt, for example. When I was young, it was worn by soldiers, stage comics and singers of Scots songs, public schoolboys on Sundays, and, somewhat unconvincingly, members of the Royal family and lairds attending the Braemar Gathering and other Highland games. It was also favoured by a few cultural nationalists like Compton Mackenzie and Hugh MacDiarmid. Now it is far more popular than it used to be: standard wear for weddings and dances, and international football and rugby matches. It has become an expression of difference, of our distinct identity.


    The truth is, however, that differences between Scotland and England are fewer than they used to be. The strongest institution in 19th- and early 20th-century Scotland was the Presbyterian Kirk. It set the tone of the nation. Its values – thrift, self-restraint, self-help, hard work – were thought to characterise the Scottish people. The Kirk was very different from the Church of England, its morality narrower and more demanding. Now it is a pale shadow of what it used to be. Religion plays no greater a part in Scottish than in English life. Both countries have been secularised. For years, too, the Church and Nation Committee of the Kirk produced reports on socio-economic matters that were little different from Labour Party handouts. When Margaret Thatcher was invited to address the general assembly of the Kirk, she infuriated her audience by speaking, from her Methodist background, much as ministers of the Kirk might have done a couple of generations previously.

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  19. Scottish independence cont....

    "Assimilation is evident in other visible ways. Shopping centres in Scotland are just like shopping centres in England; the same may be said of what is left of our high streets. We mostly watch the same television programmes, see the same movies, and respond to the same popular music. Football is Scotland’s national game, but Scottish newspapers give far more coverage to English football than they used to, and if a boy is not wearing a Rangers or Celtic replica shirt, he is more likely to wear a Manchester United one than that of another Scottish club. Our postman was early one Saturday. When I asked why, he said he had arranged his shift to get to Old Trafford.

    The more life in Scotland is like life in England, the more the need is felt to assert our distinct identity. There is another factor not perhaps given sufficient weight. This is the gravitational pull exerted by London – and increasingly resented. Of course, Scots have been drawn to London ever since the Union and since Dr Johnson proclaimed that the noblest prospect a Scotchman ever saw was the high road that led to England. Few stopped in the North and Midlands. Instead, they headed for London. You couldn’t enter a newspaper office without bumping into a Scot. Indeed, you still can’t.

    Nevertheless, the predominance of London promotes nationalism. If the Scottish Conservative Party is dead in the water, and Scottish politics dominated by the soft Left, this is principally because the Tories are regarded as an English party, the party of the City of London and the South East. The North of England and the Midlands may also reject the Tories for similar reasons, but they can’t express their resentment by emphasising a distinct national identity. It is likely that there would be a resurgence of Right-wing values in an independent Scotland, for many who vote SNP, especially in their strongholds in Aberdeenshire and the north-east counties, would be Thatcherites if they lived in Essex. But, as things are, the Right in Scotland is as feeble as can be imagined. For many Scots, a Tory government is the best reason for voting for independence".

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/8973124/Why-the-Scots-want-independence-from-the-English.html

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  20. And here is a comment from the Scotland article in the Telegraph (2572 comments so far and worth reading).

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    EndLondonRule

    59 minutes ago



    The little Engerlanders really have their tails up on the subject of Scotland. The racism that is poured on to these forums and the Mail and the Telegraph highlights a trait that is nasty and fascist, stuck to the underbelly of the Anglosaxon beast, like a cancerous growth. It is a bit like the sectarianism in Ireland, and the racism found in America. On the surface there is an artificial veneer of political correctness, but scratch that surface and it is all going on. Bubbling and festering away.

    I feel pity for the English as they are nursing so many chips on their shoulders, they need more shoulders. What with the humping they got from the Vikings and the Romans, which the Scots helped them evict. The severe beating they took from the Normans, who took what was left of their identity, and invaded Ireland for them, thus kicking of their imperialist ethnic cleansing and genocide they visited on these Islands. And then if that were not enough they had to hand their monarchy over to the Germans house of Saxe - Coburg and Gotha.

    No wonder then that the descendants of stragglers and vagabonds and mercenary's from Europe's evicted and unwanted tribes are so angry. The anger we can now see pouring out and directed at Scotland is actually making them pyhiscally repulsive. Just look at the history of recent events. The mass murder of innocent football fans in Heysel and Hillsborough, the riots in Trafalgar Square when England was gubbed by Germany in Euro 96. The thuggery and rioting in Germany during the World Cup with England fans dressed as RAF bombers. The thuggery and rioting in France during the world cup . The recent riots in England, and the thuggery on display at the horse racing event for the great and the good, who are not immune to being thuggish, The Derby, as drunk thugs waded in to each other with champagne bottles. Not for nothing is rioting and thuggery known as the English disease on the continent.

    The recent riots in England were tagged as UK riots by the BBC, until they owned up to their racist behaviour and changed them to the correct description as English riots. They cannot even accept their own vile behaviour. Trying to smear and damage the important tourist trade in Scotland in an act of unforgivable spite and malice, which will not be forgotten.

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  21. anti English comment continued.....

    "These little Engerlanders we see pouring out their hatred on these boards are so angry and jealous of Scotland's strong national identity and history, that they rage and spit and invent history and twist events to satisfy their lust for doing Scotland down. Scotland’s history and the Scottish race are one of the oldest on the planet having a recorded trail going back over one thousand years, an ancestry that the Engerlanders would love to have but cannot. They tried oh how they tried to defeat us and wipe out our history and economically defeat us, having utterly failed to conquer us militarily. And yet despite these centuries of Anglo Saxon aggression Scotland and the Scots have prevailed. We are stronger than ever, the spirit of Wallace and Bruce lives on in Alex Salmond who is Scotland’s finest ambassador and statesman, who wipes the floor with his critics and the Ukanian Daleks who croak at him like warty toads. Scotland has regained her pride and self respect as we now march defiantly to enduring independence from the greedy grasping hands of the English dominated UK parliament in Westminster.

    “Oh don't come running back to us when you turn your country in to Albania,” they jeer and cry from London. It is just such sneers and ill will that drives Scotland harder to achieve our forthcoming independence from such little Engerlander bigotry. The harder you knock us the stronger we become.


    No other nation manages to spoil other people’s holidays so thoroughly as the English. They do that all through the summer everywhere the sun shines with their unique mixture of knuckle dragging wantonness and arrogance, their pathetic addiction to drink, their bad taste, their public vomiting, and fornicating, and actually just their vile ugliness and thickheaded presence.

    Luckily it is easy to recognise the English on holiday. A clean shaven head with a much too big and cheap pair of sunglasses; a sunburnt bull’s neck; a set of disgusting tattoos across his bloated torso if it is not covered with a football shirt of Manchester United, Chelsea, a beer always on hand. The lady in the company divides her attention between the whining children and the curtain that she got mixed up with the tops in her wardrobe while packing. Anyone who has seen an English couple on holiday understands why the English papers are filled with dramatic stories about binge drinking, obesity and teen-age pregnancies.

    The trend of hooligan tourism is not new. The English have singlehandedly ruined the Spanish island Ibiza, in Greece they wrecked Faliraki and with all the English drinking and fighting Corfu is well on its way to disappearing into the sea like the mythical city of Atlantis. What is new is that the English who stay behind in and around London seem to be aware that something is wrong. The English quality papers run almost weekly stories on how their countrymen carry on in southern Europe. An Ibiza club owner is allowed to relate how the English destroyed the tourist industry with their drink and drugs abuse. There are reprints of front pages from Greek newspapers that the English licking whipped cream of the bosoms of their summer girlfriends on the beach.


    We need a solution. How about that the English tell the rest of the world in May or June which beach or island they intend to wreck this year so that we know where to keep away from? Are the English going to Majorca or Crete this year? Then we are off to Sicily or Cyprus. Then everybody will be happy".

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  22. Thank you Eddy, freedom of speech is paramount, let those who despise the English say their piece it matters nothing of what the Scots think of the English, it may be fair to say the English think nothing of themselves. I pray the day will come when a visa will be needed for our Scots Pals to cross the border into our sacred realm. It is to England's eternal shame that a cabal of Scots who brought death and suffering to thousands of Iraqis and Afghans have not been charged with war crimes and the enquiry into the Iraq war will be quietly sanitised. At least the English are not tight fisted and don't mind getting a good dose of vitamin D while fornicating around the Med.

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  23. A total racist comment by a Scottish biggot not all English people are that way why sterotype us, Glasgow has is smack head city the Council estates are swarming with heroin we don't class you all as Heroin addicted aids infected scottish C**TS though do we, back to my earlier comment I am not a servant to Nick Griffin for still being active in London BNP, I have had a lot back out of the bnp it's has been a good platform to get my point over through local campaigns against scummy government employees who think they can treat me and my family like trash, I'm gutted that we haven't got the likes of butler and barnbrook on boared they were powerful weapons against these creeps but I am staying on this platform as UKIP are wishy washy and one has ever heared of the English Democrates so how would they take that platform seriously. The NF would be my perfect platform but there just isn't enough of them around to make any impact, a big rise of the NF would certialy get our enemys wearing their brown trousers.

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  24. Hey Jock I ken wat ye mean, tell those Argies the English fancy Port Stanley as the in Venue for our Wild Ones, we used to call those Argies,, Dagoes, but not now, it would be wacist eh Jock?

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  25. Graham WakefieldDec 24, 2011 11:59 PM

    After you have had your pathetic rants at each other spare a thought for the thousands of English,Scots,Welsh & Loyalist Men & Women who gave there lives in the service of this Country(what a betrayal that was).We have so much to celebrate as brothers,stop the silly bickering and turn your attention to the real problems facing us all.

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  26. Ha Ha are you having a laugh graham the idiots are fighting for the oil and opium not for the sake of the British people they should attach a big mug badge not a medal.

    They are keeping the banking elite rich, all they get out of it is praise off a load of other dum mugs who got conned into voting the parties that arselick the Bankers by taking us to war. ED dum arse

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